beanie74za (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Change tacks? you brought philosophy into it, I just asked you to have a look at reality. And I realize that you r misjudging my capitals as screaming - while, not intended, i do apologize. (Germans accentuate with capitals) all animals show homo behavior (from apes thru antelope to cats (lions, etc) wolf-species and even dolphins. (the penguins in the Polar Land in Harbin - latest) As for how far we can be compared to animals - dogma, religion & philosophy aside - we are all mammals.

slloyd007 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ok, please please please keep this polite. You are only showing your own ignorance by claiming to know mine. Are you a genetic biologist by any chance, and if so, which genes are associated with homosexuality and heterosexuality that differentiate them? To date, there is no hard evidence that either is a genetic disposition. Yes the corpus callosum does have some interesting findings, but no hard evidence. I know its ever so easy to insult via text, but please keep things academic.

slloyd007 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

So you run away from the point, and change tacks again...you asked me about choice, and i addressed that question. As for reality, the choices I listed are reality, are they not? As for binobos, are you seriously stating that we should use animals as examples for the way we live our lives? If you use one characteristic of animals, why not use more, chimps eat their young on occasion. How many other species besides binobos perform acts of homosexuality?

beanie74za (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

instead of looking at philosophy - please give reality a try - you might even like it! Then, while u r here, have a look around - there is diversity around - in everything! now I would like you to open your mind to the possibility that God - just maybe - also created diversity within the way creatures love! (good example - have a look at Binobos)

beanie74za (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

and there we are back to your ignorant outlook - murderer - acquired behaviour, clepto - acquired behaviour, crossdresser - ACQ BEHAV - hetero - polygenetic, homo - polygenetic, paedophile - ACQ BEHAV - please stick to EITHER fruit, or vegetables - but DO NOT confuse the two, you are just showing your blissfully, painfully embarrassing ignorance! therefore I said - educate yourself, before you hurt others with your comments

slloyd007 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Philosophically speaking, yes, as there is more than one option, ie, gay or straight, then everyone makes a choice. Whether consciously or not. Because there are 2 options, a choice is forced on us. So yes, in my life, I have chosen to be straight. I do not choose to be gay.

slloyd007 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

So, from your point of view, if someone grows up to be a murderer, clepto, cross dresser, heterosexual, homosexual, paedophile...these all are genetic predispositions? Come on, society and our upbringing effects our lives, without doubt. Homosexuality is a choice, as heterosexuality is, as paedophilia is, as theft is. Why do hetero couples bring up homo kids? Choice. Same reason they bring up straight kids, kids who steal, do drugs, etc etc etc.

beanie74za (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

... is like eyecolour, like how tall you get - meaning it is something that came that way - and what your humanitarian education perspective then does, is to give the individual the tools, to be able to cope with what he has been given. Therefore, and due to influences in upbringing, we have some of the worst crimes against homos during the holocaust - so-called "closet-queers" to thank (there is a small, but beautiful memorial for them in Berlin, Germany) - it is a psycological process, that...

beanie74za (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Oh, I am sorry slloy - a polite discussion? I think I missed that post... because all the rest of your scribblings are less that what you claim - quote: It is FAR more likely that he will be homosexual. - your words, right? so how come it is that "normal, natural" families with 2 opposing sexual partners bring forth gay orientated children? Your look upon the development of a human being is from a humanitarian perspective - nothing wrong with it, for the most part - BUT, sexual orientation...

Zomg1020 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Fucking homos